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Re: Transformers!

Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2013 12:31 pm
by anarky
Is Jhiaxus getting a blowjob from or skullfucking the poor guy on the #0 cover?

And, goddammit, no one has an embeddable image yet.

Re: Transformers!

Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 10:18 pm
by anarky
Looks like the A cover was Jhiaxus smooshing Boltax's (virtual) head. I didn't even recognize the poor sod.

In any case, Foolery, I need some discussion/input on #'s 94 and 0.

The Galvatron/Magnus fight. Shitballs, this is awesome. When you read (and you will read, trust me) the UK fights between these two, they're always inconclusive. This shows both as being even more badass than expected, and the winner is not exactly who I would've thought. I love the way this Magnus is irritated with this Galvatron referring to fighting him "again"--and, at the same time, there's a throwback to Magnus' UK origin (still the same?) that he was dubbed the "Greatest Warrior" by Xaaron.

But, fuck, they both survived getting the shit knocked out of each other and blasted by a fucking WarWorld that disintegrated poor Cosmos last issue and took out what looks like a few (at least) square miles here. Fucking hardcore!

Is Grimlock alive? Or just animated by Primus? He looks pretty intact to have fallen that far, so there's a possibility he will live now that Primus' spirit has left him. I wasn't quite sure how to "pronounce" his weird speech with the random-seeming slashes. Is he saying multiple things at once?

A few of the corpses in the Primus chamber look like they were drawn to be recognized, but I don't. The closest one to the foreground could be either Apeface or Snapdragon, but not sure. I recall Apeface being melted by Unicron, but not sure what happened to Snapdragon.

"Great God Ginrai" as an epithet. Fuckin-A!

Really dig the way Omega Supreme is a last line of defense again, and back to his original huge-ass size. The inconsistencies through the G1 run bugged me, because he became weaker in later stories so it wasn't just an art error (repeated an awful lot).

Also, I guess Starscream is keeping a low profile about now to see who might come out on top.

#0. Holy shit. I have to say again that Bove's matching the coloring style to what was current on the comic during a particular artist's run (including the cool-ass painted look for Anderson's pseudo-UK story), while maintaining a modern style on Hot Rod is fucking incredible. It's like the homage pages from the IDW-verse annuals, only squared. No, cubed. And this really is the first time I can ever say, "Holy shit, that Jose Delbo Transformers artwork is awesome!" I really think it's the realization that people remember these stories twenty years later that made him work to his full potential.

Now, obviously each of these four vignettes will be important in the final six issues and aren't just here for our amusement. I think that goes without saying.

The Deathbringer story (and, goddamn, I love Geoff Senior) does an excellent job of telling the story that confused the fuck out of us all as kids. It actually sticks pretty closely to the UK story (which was pretty underwhelming when I read it years after the fact, since it seemed like it would be a much bigger deal--still, you should read it when the current paperbacks get to that point). Didn't realize Denver got as fucked up as it did in the battle, though. Jesus. We need to check on JJL. :lol:

The main point of that story is that there is still a Dark Matrix out there, because the energy stored in the Deathbringer could not be destroyed. (Which raises the question of what happened to the Matrix itself when Prime destroyed Unicron? It wasn't referenced again in G1, but did show up in the G2 splinter timeline.)

Part 2: Love the UK coloring style. Jhiaxus' backstory is a bit different from the G2 comic, but, hey, who cares? G2 kinda sucked in comparison to this. :) The Underbase was a product of the melding of the minds of Boltax, Jhiaxus, some dude named Decanus, and two unnamed generics. (I asked on the FB page if one was meant to be Alpha Trion, since there's a definite resemblance, and was surprised to get a very quick answer that the script called for "elders like Alpha Trion" but not him.) We learn that Jhiaxus stole the knowledge of life itself and then erased himself from Cybertronian history. So, in this universe, he truly is a non-Decepticon Cybertronian, since the Underbase was ejected from Cybertron around the beginning of the war. Presumably he's learned to "bud" new Transformers, since he clearly had Rook and the rest of his army in the early RG1 issue, but either this knowledge was kept secret from others by Boltax, or was erased by Jhiaxus as well.

So, is this merely the origin of Jhiaxus? Or is there something to do with the Underbase? If he deleted the secrets of life, then is all that remains the knowledge of destruction, explaining why a database was so fucking dangerous? And, in keeping with Hot Rod's ruminations on energy not being destroyed, the Underbase is still presumably out there somewhere. Might it somehow play into the Dark Matrix? Could we be looking at an RG1 version of The Swarm? And is there some weird connection with Earth being destroyed by zombies primarily slain by the Underbase?

Part 3. Sniff, sniff. (Although there is a pretty devious irony that Buster and Jesse are killed by Ratbat in a car wash.) Minor thing first: What the fuck is Bugly doing here? He survived Starscream's Underbase rampage because he was a Pretender. Even if a lot of casualties were retconned in after the fact, issue #50 is pretty explicit there. Whoever wrote this up on TFWiki said it's likely not an error, and he was killed off panel later, since he last appeared in #55. Only one problem with that: his body was in Autobot custody, on the Ark. There's no point where any Decepticon could be killed and placed in cold storage on the Ark. I'm going to chalk it up as an error. But Bugly's never looked better, so fuck it, I don't care.

Now the bigger deal: What is the purpose here? It's not simply a "whatever happened to...?" story. As major as Buster was in the original book, there were tons of others from both the US and UK books who are presumed dead. Hot Rod seems to lean toward the real purpose being Spike's decision to act (since it looks like he wasn't being quite as vigilant about the Ark as he told Optimus Prime, and, regardless of his whole "I hate being Fort Max's head" shtick, refusing to act when a rampaging Deceptizombie horde has made it, mostly on foot, for crying out loud, from near the Arctic Circle to Oregon is a bit extreme. (Spike also looks like he's in a hotel, not at home, if that's important.)

But I don't think that's it. Bizarrely running into the Transformers a lot by coincidence afterward was the only ramification of his time with the Autobots in the US books, but the UK books basically said he could never get rid of all the Matrix energy he'd stored. I'm thinking it's more to do with that, and the whole "energy cannot be destroyed" thing. So, if Buster still possessed Matrix energy when he died, where did it go?

Part 4: Nick Roche and "true" G1 is a marriage made in heaven. I'd assume this is the Rhythms of Darkness parallel world that Galvatron II hails from. The events here certainly explain how that world's Hot Rod could become Rodimus Prime and, yet, Galvatron and Unicron are victorious because somehow Rodimus dies despite holding the Matrix (he loses it when HR distracts him, since this Rodimus is stupid and still carries it on Galvatron's chain). He's clearly more bent on justice for Cybertron than destroying Unicron. Hot Rod interrupting the battle and leading to Rodimus' death is a neat TFTM homage--and this is the only world Hot Rod can interact with. The whole bit about one Primus/Matrix throughout all realities, though possessing forms that can be destroyed in each, makes sense when Hot Rod takes this world's Matrix back to his own. Only odd thing about that would be one of Unicron's three heralds telling Galvatron II that they served a "different Unicron" back in #67. (I wonder if the G1 Unicron tampering with this timeline at a later point is what made Primus attuned to it, bringing Hot Rod to it to accidentally cause Rodimus' death so that Unicron would want to kidnap Galvatron to his own world, and, holy fuck, this is going to go in circles.)

Finale: Holy. Mother. Fucking. Shit. Just. Got. REAL. I assume at least a quarter of #95 is going to deal with Omega vs Monstructor, and at least another quarter with how exactly Kup wound up on the floor of the WarWorld, about to be skewered. (I hope to fuck he's alive at this moment. I really want to hear some variation on "I knew you had potential, lad!") But, dammit, one of my all-time favorites seems in every universe to go out like a punk bitch in an insanely mismatched fight. (Hey, I suppose that at least it's what he wants!)

Re: Transformers!

Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 10:50 pm
by anarky
It's occurred to me before, but is really obvious looking over my previous post: It almost seems ridiculous to try to hold a serious conversation about the TF comic, treating it as good science fiction. Not because it isn't, of course, because it is (when done right, at least). It's just names of some characters that you have to use if you're talking about these characters (and the characters are pretty damned cool, despite the names). Names like Jhiaxus or Boltax or even Kup have a cool sci-fi feel to them. Names like Starscream and Bludgeon are just cool as shit. Buster and Spike are a bit corny, but totally believable.

But then you get hardened evil warriors like the brutish Horrorcon thug or the Pretender mystic martial artist (no, the other one). And their names? Fucking Apeface and fucking Bugly. Fucking Octopunch, Fangry, and goddamned king of shitty names Horri-Bull appeared in these issues, too.

Can you just fucking imagine these guys being created, whether by the Matrix or the Matrix Fire (that created Ultra Magnus on Cybertron in Optimus' absence and was never mentioned again)?

"Arise, Skullgrin. Arise, Iguanus. Arise, Bomb-Burst. Arise... heh. Heh. HEH HEH HEH HEH HA HA HA HA HA HA!!"
"Optimus Prime, why are you laughing?"
"Because... HA! Because the next guy's name in this squad is (snicker!) fucking Bugly!"

Or just meeting their new comrades?

"I'm Dirge. Welcome to the Decepticons. You must be those new bad-ass Horrorcon Triple Changers we've heard about."
"Yup. Name's Snapdragon."
"And I'm Apeface."
"Apeface? As in possessing the face of an ape? You'll have to excuse me; I'm from a distant planet light years from Earth. What the fuck is an ape?"

And Horri-Bull. Poor fucking Horri-Bull. In the real world, some Hasbro guy was fucking lazy. In the TF world, you know other Transformers look at him funny.

Kudos to Simon Furman (and James Roberts and John Barber) for writing these guys totally straight, as if they didn't have the fucking stupidest names ever, but, holy shit, that means we have to discuss them using the same names.

Re: Transformers!

Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 11:10 pm
by Tom Foolery
I feel like Primus is just using Grimlock's body. But I wouldn't be surprised if Primus "resurrects" Grimmy when he's finished.
Omega Supreme vs Monstructor is gonna be epic.

The Deathbringer/Anti-Matrix vignette will definitely play into the final six issues (oh lord, what are we gonna do when this ends?). Somebody will sacrifice themselves in epic fashion.

The deaths of Buster and Jesse, I think, were just Furman's way of adding an emotional punch to the issue. Rather than having fans not know definitively what happened to them.

I kinda read the Hot Rod/Galvatron fight as the TV/Movieverse for some reason.

Re: Transformers!

Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 11:32 pm
by anarky
Tom Foolery wrote:I kinda read the Hot Rod/Galvatron fight as the TV/Movieverse for some reason.
Couldn't be. But, then again, after thinking on it, I was wrong as well.

I think it is the RoD world Galvatron II came from, but it didn't play out as I expected. (One other clue I didn't catch is that everything has the movie color scheme except Galvatron, who, like Galvatron II, has the comic color scheme.) Rodimus could not have gotten the Matrix inside Unicron as in the movie; there wouldn't be enough time for Unicron to destroy Cybertron before Rodimus destroyed him.

It looks like, based just on the corpses seen, that (Galvatron's colors aside) things play out exactly as in the movie up through the death of Ultra Magnus and just before Galvatron's statement that he will use the Matrix to make Unicron his slave. Here, Kup, Hot Rod, Wheelie, and the Dinobots arrived sooner than in the movie. (How much sooner, we don't know, since it's not entirely clear how much time elapses in the film.) Galvatron wipes out everyone (including, likely, the Junkions themselves, unless they're still keeping a low profile during the longer battle), and goes after Hot Rod last. He's already wearing the Matrix on a chain, and Hot Rod makes a grab for it, just like he does in the movie. He becomes Rodimus Prime, and the revenge he refers to in #0 is for the Autobots slain on Junkion, not Cybertron itself. RG1 Hot Rod startles him (who knows why he can interact here when it's very clear he can't in the others--seriously, look how he's placed in almost every panel in the other stories; there's no way he could be overlooked), Cyclonus and Scourge blast him and separate him from the Matrix (which he hasn't opened--it's not yet the darkest hour because Unicron has not arrived at Cybertron), leaving him vulnerable to Galvatron. RG1 Hot Rod takes the Matrix and is immediately transformed to Rodimus Prime and returned to a different point in his own universe (WarWorld, sometime during #95, unless they're planning to not explain how Kup got there).

From this point, Galvatron can't challenge Unicron with the Matrix and remains his (more or less) loyal servant. He never actually said anything about using the Matrix, so this Unicron does not suspect him. So Unicron gets to Cybertron, eats the fuck out of it, and rewards Galvatron with dominion over Earth. Which he fucking ravages for a few years (either three or four--the UK comics continuity puts the movie in 2006, and it was never stated which year it was in for the RoD timeline) until Hook, Line, and Sinker are sent by the G1 Unicron to abduct him from 2009 to be his herald in his world (possibly because G1 Megatron is in unspace at the time and Unicron can't sense him?), at which point Spike and the few remaining Autobots are able to mount a proper resistance.

Of course, those Autobots included Prowl and Jazz, one of whom was shot to death early in the movie and the other had been eaten by Unicron and couldn't be rescued by Daniel if Daniel was dead on Junkion, so maybe things weren't exactly the same....

Re: Transformers!

Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:11 am
by anarky
Holy shit, I just read the latest MTMTE. Seriously, man, these three books are the best shit out there.

I'd gotten some minor spoilers, but, still, plenty to keep me on edge. Wheeljack made me sad. Partly because I've always loved Wheeljack, partly because IDW has built him into an even more likeable character... and partly because I hope to hell Prowl keeps a spotlight on him, because I'd love to see how he deals with being aware of someone else controlling his body to kill his friend in cold blood. Metalhawk was also a huge shock. It's impossible to be a few months behind and not aware that Starscream will come out on top, but, still, I thought the basic "humanity" of those around him, especially Metalhawk and Bumblebee, might be rubbing off on him a bit. But he's still the heartless bastard he's always been, and, holy shit, he's actually turning into a better villain than Megatron.

Loved seeing the different reactions from various Decepticons to Megatron's return. The explanations of the evolution of combiner technology was a well-done, subtle continuity fix. And Needlenose, of all Cons, has had quite an interesting story arc in IDW.

One glitch: The Constructicons form Devastator in a modular fashion, with the head module being interchangeable. Prowl was reconfigured to become the head, as was Megatron's new body. So if Prowl tore Devastator's head off (which was clearly based on his own) to reveal his head underneath, then Devastator fell to shit, and then we see Prowl apparently more or less just fine, how is it that the Constructicons almost immediately begin to re-form Devastator with Megatron as the body and head? Who took that damage if not Prowl or any of the five surviving Constructicons?

Re: Transformers!

Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 8:53 am
by Tom Foolery
The cool thing about Starscream, is that he isn't being played as the villain. Even though he's doing despicable things to gain leadership, he's not doing them for malicious Megatronic reasons. He actually does want Bumblebee's plan of peace and an end to the war and unification to work. He just wants to be on top of the pile when it happens. And are his means any less immoral than Prowl's? Our childhood premises of Autobots=Good and Decepticons=Bad got tossed out awhile ago. This book very much has shades of Game of Thrones running through it. There really aren't many good guys left. And the ones who are, like 'Bee, are hopelessly outmaneuvered as their virtues are used against them, backing them into corners. Or out into the wilderness as it were.

Re: Transformers!

Posted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 2:25 pm
by anarky
Even Megatron's original motives in IDW were altruistic. It still blows my mind to know that Megatron was unwilling to use violence at all and went to jail for a crime he didn't commit, whereas Orion Pax, with the same motives, stormed the Senate building and beat the shit out of the guards just to get a word in.

All the way to the beginning of this universe, the Autobots' standard response to the Infiltration Protocols was sort of based on the "every lifeform in the universe is inferior to Cybertronians" approach.

I do hope they get back to Earth at some point. Maybe not permanently, but to follow up on what's going on there. I'd especially like to see the "I don't give a shit anymore; I'm watching TV for eternity!" version of Thundercracker again.

Re: Transformers!

Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 5:20 pm
by anarky
So, someone obviously dared IDW to make the current TF comics suck without actually doing anything to impede the writers or artists.

It took them quite a bit of work, but here's the best they could do.

Transformers Dark Cybertron #1 Rob Liefeld Alternate Cover

:rollbarf:

Re: Transformers!

Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2013 9:36 am
by Tom Foolery
Transformers/GIJoe ongoing!!!


It's a standalone series, which mean its in it own universe.
John Barber! Yes! As Abed would say "Cool. Cool cool cool."
I'm guessing this is what replaces ReGenOne?

Re: Transformers!

Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2013 11:24 am
by anarky
They've been reading our forums again. :lol:

I want this to be awesome. But, holy shit, this is a concept that's been assfucked so many times over.

What would be interesting would be an ongoing set in the film universes, as if they were one, just for something completely different... but I can understand Joe's tendency to bomb and the low sales on TF movie comics would tell them otherwise.

Re: Transformers!

Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2013 11:38 am
by Tom Foolery
Yes but this time is different.

John. Barber.

The only way it would be more awesome is if it was James Roberts.

Re: Transformers!

Posted: Fri Oct 11, 2013 12:24 pm
by anarky
Has Barber written G.I. Joe before?

Just saying. Simon Furman sucked ass writing the Joes, and Lary Hama sucked ass writing the Transformers. And you know I say that as one of the biggest fanboys of all three writers.

I'm not particularly crazy about the cover art that was shown, either. People are saying it's got a retro feel, which I guess is true to an extent. But it's just fucking horrible composition. Duke punches Destro, making him fire into the air at the same time he himself is shooting off to his left for no reason? And what's with Prime's gun hand? Rob Liefeld just held a press release that was him holding this cover; he shook his head slowly and said, "Dudes, don't ever give me shit about my art again."

Re: Transformers!

Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 4:22 pm
by anarky
Foolery, would you consider this "Mini-Con Assault Team" to be an official Hasbro release of Ammonites, even if under a more toy-friendly name? Because it's somehow a Dark Cybertron tie-in, and there have previously been no Mini-Cons in that universe.

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Re: Transformers!

Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 4:34 pm
by anarky
Damn. Just discovered MTMTE #24 reveals they are Ammonites. I guess I'll have to be on the lookout for these bastards after all.